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Sibling Happy Hour: Spicy Sips & Hot Takes 🍹🌶️

Bruce Anthony: it's a sibling happy hour. I'm here with my sis Jay Andrea. We're gonna be dilly dabbing a little bit. Then we're gonna be talking about the death penalty, and then we're gonna be talking about Gilbert Arenas and snitching. But that's enough of the intro. Let's get to the show.

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Catching Up: Sibling Laughs & Life Updates 😄🗨️

Bruce Anthony: What up sis?

Jay Aundrea: What up brother?

Bruce Anthony: I can't call it. I can't call it you in a new location. You at

Jay Aundrea: Yep. Reporting live for Marilyn.

Bruce Anthony: Okay. From Maryland,

Jay Aundrea: For Marilyn.

Bruce Anthony: Yes. We are in the same location. Yes. We still plan on doing a same location for the 250th. Have I figured out all the details yet? No. Will I make sure that I figure 'em out? Yes. Are we going to do it? hope so.

Jay Aundrea: Yeah. That's the best. You know what? That's the best we can ever give you, honestly is. I hope so. And we gonna try and I hope so.

Bruce Anthony: look, I came here with a hope and a dream make a dollar and some cream. I mean,

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: by the seat of our pants. We don't know what we're doing here, but thank you for riding along with us.

Road Trip Vibes: Playlists, Pets & Pit Stops 🚗🎶🐶

Bruce Anthony: Speaking of [00:02:00] rides, how was yours, Jay?

Jay Aundrea: Uh, it was actually, it was actually okay. That's because I drove overnight instead of like during the day. So I didn't hit any traffic. It was cool. Yeah, it was a nice ride. Pretty much, you know, I got like a system, so I start with prints, right? And then, you know, then Michael Jackson then, and then you gotta take it back.

And then I go, Jackson Five, then the Jacksons,

Bruce Anthony: Right, because there di there's a difference.

Jay Aundrea: there's a difference. And then, uh, then Stevie Wonder is next. And I like to wrap up with Miseducation, Lauren Hill. 'cause you can play that end to end. And that's a really good, uh, that's a really good playlist.

Bruce Anthony: Yes. That's a classic album.

Jay Aundrea: Yes.

Bruce Anthony: the Clips current album,

Jay Aundrea: But I never said that the Clips album was a classic. I said it was fire. That's what I said. Yes.

Bruce Anthony: it is fire. It absolutely is fire. Well, I [00:03:00] knew when you left because we share an Amazon account and I guess your ring is attached to your Amazon account.

Jay Aundrea: Yes. Yes.

Bruce Anthony: So anytime. Not every time, which is weird, doorbell rings there's an alert at your door.

Jay Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

Bruce Anthony: up on my TV screen.

Jay Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

Bruce Anthony: So I'm sitting in the house enjoying my Sunday fun day as I do drinking

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: watching, uh, WWE documentaries, getting prepared for Summer Slam the second night of Summer Slam.

Jay Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

Bruce Anthony: your alert, your alert goes off

Jay Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

Bruce Anthony: the hell? I know Jay had to have already left 'cause it's like three o'clock in the afternoon, but no, I see you loading up the car. And I was like, this is like a 10 to 12 hour drive

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: get here until like five o'clock in the morning.

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: would she do this to herself?

Jay Aundrea: I, I had a choice. It, usually I leave at three o'clock in the morning so that I get there like midday. I still have the [00:04:00] rest of the day. So I had a choice. I was like, am I gonna sleep and just drive overnight or am I just gonna go ahead and leave at three in the morning? And I chose to get some sleep.

And then it was also better for the dogs because they, by the time I actually got on the road, which was about six, they had already eaten. Gone. I had walked them, they, they were good. And then I stopped one more time in North Carolina. And then I didn't stop after that. I didn't have to, 'cause they went to sleep.

It was by that time, by the time I gotta to North Carolina. It was their bedtime. They were sleep. And so it was an easy ride overnight 'cause they were back there snoring like a fake. JJ and Michael.

Bruce Anthony: Oh man. Speaking of, trips, of my clients is currently in Delaware, in Wilmington, Delaware,

Jay Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

Bruce Anthony: former president Joey Beans,

Jay Aundrea: Yes.

Bruce Anthony: Biden,

Jay Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

Bruce Anthony: and they, and they said, we just missed him. [00:05:00] He was in the grocery store and I was like, Biden be moving around like that in Wilmington, and I guess he does.

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: Then my client said, and and called her out and I said, that's absolutely not true. No, no, no. It is. It's like, it's not, this is another one of the situations, which just logically it doesn't make sense.

Jay Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

Bruce Anthony: She says, well, he only has one secret service agent. I was like, Nope,

Jay Aundrea: Nope. Incorrect? No. He's got a former team. He has a whole team. He's a former president. He's got a whole team

Bruce Anthony: home. He doesn't have one

Jay Aundrea: for the rest of his life.

Bruce Anthony: I said, you saw one.

Jay Aundrea: You saw one, but just know that before he entered that grocery store. It got cleared out by several Secret Service agents. They checked it over thoroughly before he even got in the car to leave for the grocery store.

It was already, it was already vetted and cleared so that he could walk in with one Secret service agent that you saw. But there were a lot of, [00:06:00] there were probably plain clothes ones, like there's no, it's a team and no.

Bruce Anthony: Now. And, and so I I, and they kept arguing with me over and over and over again. So finally I googled it and I said, look, the, a current president has 300 Secret Service members, detailed to them.

Jay Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

Bruce Anthony: presidents have 92 or a hundred. Now, the current president did take away the secret service detail for Biden's kids, 'cause he's an asshole. But you can't take away the secret service detail for the president.

Jay Aundrea: No.

Bruce Anthony: was like, you just, you're not right. And this was one of three people who gave me, said something to me, and I was like, I'm gonna just need you to think about this logically that doesn't make any sense. person was like, yeah, Jurassic World and Superman are streaming on Amazon Prime.

I said, Nope. No, it's not. [00:07:00] No, no. I saw it. Nope.

Jay Aundrea: No.

Bruce Anthony: You know how I know that? Because they're both still in the movie theater.

Jay Aundrea: Yeah, that

Bruce Anthony: it. I said, okay,

Jay Aundrea: you might've saw a coming soon type of, or it'll start streaming in a few months or something. You might've seen an advertisement for it, but you didn't see it.

Bruce Anthony: didn't right,

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: enough, I was on my computer. I said, no, I'm just gonna do a quick Google search.

Jay Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

Bruce Anthony: I was like, yep, as usual. You're not right.

Jay Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

Bruce Anthony: of it, right? It will be coming soon,

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: but they're still in theater. Superman hasn't even been in the theater for a full month yet

Jay Aundrea: Right center sinners just left theaters. Just left. No, it did it. I just, I saw it maybe about two weeks ago. I saw on Instagram that it's finally out of theaters. Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: It's been on what? Apple TV or Amazon Prime or whatever for

Jay Aundrea: on a couple streaming PLA platforms right now. Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: Okay. I was like, all right, but maybe it was a dollar theater. They still got those[00:08:00]

Jay Aundrea: I, I doubt it. I really, I highly, highly doubt it. Maybe in some small towns still.

Bruce Anthony: Lynchburg, Virginia Laser gentleman. The reason why I brought that up is because when we were living in Lynchburg, Virginia, Lynchburg Virginia had a dollar movie theater. And I

Jay Aundrea: Yep.

Bruce Anthony: when it first opened, it played old movies in the beginning, and

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: this was the nineties, so it took a long time before a movie theater had, its before a movie had its full run in the movie theater. then it took even longer time before it got to video. Like it,

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: would take almost a year after leaving the movie theater before it actually came out on video.

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: And so they would play movies at the Dollar theater. And when I say it was a dollar theater, the tickets were a dollar and it was a good time.

Jay Aundrea: It was a good time. You could go see double features and, you know, and get you some little snacks and it was just a, it was nice. I think they should bring those back because, you know, a lot of, especially for young people. 'cause that's, that's of course where when we used it, I remember, you know, being [00:09:00] in the elementary and middle school, going to dollar theater because you, you had a couple dollars in your little piggy bank or your purse.

You go to Dollar Theater, uh, you know, kids don't, kids don't have, what are kids doing? I don't know. Going to Main Event, going to even Busters, basically Dave and Busters, but it's four kids. Yeah. Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: yeah. We'll probably, you know what they should do? I just came up with a million dollar idea. They should bring back a dollar theater

Jay Aundrea: Hmm.

Bruce Anthony: old movies to run. And they should have, like say for instance, they wanted to bring back classic movies like, honey, I Shrunk the Kids.

Right?

Jay Aundrea: Right.

Bruce Anthony: good wholesome family movies.

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: They can run 'em in two separate theaters at the same time. in one theater they have all different type of setups for people to go in there and do tiktoks and Instagrams along with the movie and post on social media. So it's not aggravating everybody.

Jay Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

Bruce Anthony: movie theater would be strictly for you sitting here to watch the movie.

Jay Aundrea: Right.

Bruce Anthony: [00:10:00] would be one way to keep the attention to all for all these young kids who ain't got no damn attention.

Jay Aundrea: Yeah. I don't,

Bruce Anthony: I,

Jay Aundrea: yeah, I don't know. They do do, do the youths go to the movies.

Bruce Anthony: I mean, yes.

Jay Aundrea: Okay.

Bruce Anthony: are still making of millions of dollars or sometimes

Jay Aundrea: Right. I feel like that's millennials buying tick, that, that we're the ones still going to the movies.

Bruce Anthony: could be Gen Z, could be going Gen Z or full fledged adults right now. So they could be

Jay Aundrea: Facts. Facts. Yeah,

Bruce Anthony: on dates. They're buying homes. Now they're, they're

Jay Aundrea: that's true. Yeah.

Generations Collide: Tech, Trends & Throwbacks 📱🕰️

Jay Aundrea: I remember for the longest time, anytime it was young people stuff, all these millennials out here, especially like during COVID, right? Oh, the millennials are still going out for spring break. No, we're not. We're in our thirties and forties and we have mortgages and children, and you're talking about Gen Z like that, but, but millennial used to just be a catchall for youth.

And I'm like, no, we're, we have 4 [00:11:00] 0 1 Ks now. It's not, it's not us.

Bruce Anthony: Gen Z could also have 4 0 1 Ks now they probably do if they're

Jay Aundrea: I mean, no, like we close to using them.

Bruce Anthony: well, no, I'm the oldest. Well, I'm actually not a millennial origin ex. I'm a millennial. I, so

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: it you that sent me

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: a guy, it was you that sent me

Jay Aundrea: He was breaking them down like real, the millennial generation. More detailed, like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Bruce Anthony: I don't think there's any generation. The way he broke it down, ladies and gentlemen, so my sister sent me a clip, an Instagram clip with this guy breaking down millennials and, and basically he started with millennials that he dated from 1977 to like 1982 or 83.

Jay Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

Bruce Anthony: those particular people are like right in the middle because they remember when there was no, they don't remember when there was only three channels.

There were cable, it was more than three channels. Fox was around there. But they remember

Jay Aundrea: Yeah, because Gen X is the MTV generation, so there's definitely, there was definitely cable.[00:12:00]

Bruce Anthony: yes, based it on, they remember when internet wasn't a thing

Jay Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

Bruce Anthony: and then, but also young enough to still, the internet was a thing. But they remember

Jay Aundrea: Right.

Bruce Anthony: when there

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: and, and like was a, was aware like. Sentient that that's a wrong choice

Jay Aundrea: But yeah, but I mean, you know, conscious in a world without internet access and then watch the birth of internet access and then was on the, like a part of the first households to get internet access. Like it, so like we're, and I still, I kind of include myself in that because I do remember when you needed to look something up, going to the library, hitting that card catalog, Dewey decimal system, all of the things like being both analog and digital.

But I still think I'm, I'm later. I, I think you and I are a different generation [00:13:00] because I think I grew up with more tech, like, especially like in high school and

Bruce Anthony: Yes. You grew up with

Jay Aundrea: Yeah. Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: I remember us getting the computer and getting Windows 95. I

Jay Aundrea: Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: in high school, like I'm.

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: I'm out here mixing and running and doing things. You were

Jay Aundrea: Right. Middle school.

Bruce Anthony: just got to middle school,

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: you know what I'm

Jay Aundrea: When we got the internet at home, when we got a OLI was in middle school. Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: Yeah. So I was like, but you were like sixth grade middle school.

Jay Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

Bruce Anthony: just got there

Jay Aundrea: Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Bruce Anthony: four year difference is not vast as far as age, but is vast as far as like where we were.

Jay Aundrea: The movement of technology at the time, for sure. Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: I'm going to homecoming and you know, going to dances and gyrating.

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: nowhere near that. You still playing with Barbies?

Jay Aundrea: C [00:14:00] clear example, in high school you had a pager in high school at a cell phone.

Bruce Anthony: Yep.

Jay Aundrea: That's the, that's the best example.

Bruce Anthony: Well, hold on though. Yes. You had a cell phone in high school? I

Jay Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

Bruce Anthony: phone right after I graduated high school, but I was the first cat to have a cell phone. Uh, wasn't nobody else doing it like that. You know me. I always got the stunt.

Jay Aundrea: You, you did, you had all the Yes, you had all the things. Every time. I think I was like the last one to get a cell phone. 'cause I was like, what is this? Who, who cares about the, I I, I still wasn't convinced of the technology yet. 'cause I was like, you know, we had car phones in the eighties and nineties and then they kind of phased out like nobody had 'em anymore.

So I was still like, eh, why do I need people to be able to reach me outside of home? Like, I still didn't understand.

Bruce Anthony: out because people started having cell phones.

Jay Aundrea: Yeah. But like, I still was skeptical of the like. I was just like, why do I need people to reach me outside [00:15:00] of home? Like, I don't understand. So, but I still got one. I got that Nokia brick and, uh, yeah, I got that Nokia brick. That was my first one. I think I was, yeah, I was 16 and I, I bought it myself with my little money from my part-time job, and, uh, it, it was dry.

It was the Sahara Desert. I was like, I don't know why I have this.

Bruce Anthony: Yo. So I was 18. Nobody else had a cell phone. We were still rocking pages. I had a pager and a cell phone. I had a drug dealing kit without drug dealing.

Jay Aundrea: Right.

Bruce Anthony: I had the chain and the diamond ear rings like

Jay Aundrea: I do remember, yes.

Bruce Anthony: y'all. I was the epitome of doing too much. I always been the epitome of doing too much. Hence the

Jay Aundrea: Yeah, if people saw you, if people saw you, they, at that time, they would be like, oh, he's, he's moving weight. Absolutely not. You had a book report. You had a book report due that evening, like absolutely not. You [00:16:00] were not.

Bruce Anthony: But I remember I was stunned. At the county fair at the Montgomery County

Jay Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

Bruce Anthony: Ladies and gentlemen, Montgomery County in Maryland. That fair?

Jay Aundrea: Every August. It was always the week of my birthday. It was a very nice, fair,

Bruce Anthony: It was a little pathetic.

Jay Aundrea: just to stunt at. The fair was pathetic. The fair was nice. The fair was fun,

Bruce Anthony: oh, we went. We went. Me and my boys went to the fair every year and so and so, this is a funny thing. Every year I would meet up with the same girl and my boys would joke there, go Bruce again with that girl every year. We didn't talk until the fair came around, but this last year

Jay Aundrea: Uhhuh.

Bruce Anthony: did talk. Because I had the cell phone, so I said, yeah, you know, you could page me or you could hit me up on my cell phone. 'cause I, I didn't even have a pager the year before.

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: year I come back, not only do I have diamond [00:17:00] earrings,

Jay Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

Bruce Anthony: I got a chain, I got a pager and a cell phone. You couldn't

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: nothing.

At 18 years old

Jay Aundrea: Yep.

Bruce Anthony: the corners in the Avalon, you

Jay Aundrea: Yeah, yeah. Yep. No, I feel you. I, no, 'cause I was the same at 18. I was just talking about the other day. 'cause I, of course I drive through Virginia, coming up here past Kings Dominion. I said, man, I ain't been there since the spring of 2002 for Black College weekend, where I wore an all white Velure, Rocka wear tracksuit and could not be told anything.

Like I only drank Sprite that day. 'cause I'm like, I'm not messing up. My all white velo, tracksuit. Rocka, wear tracksuit with no coke. Give me a Sprite or some water. I did not eat a thing [00:18:00] 'cause I didn't want spill nothing. But you couldn't tell me nothing. You really, I found that picture actually like a couple years ago of me posing in that tracksuit.

Bruce Anthony: I need to see a copy of this picture.

Jay Aundrea: Okay. I will definitely find it. I feel like it's on my old computer somewhere, but I'll definitely find it and show you. And you, you couldn't tell me nothing. Like I, even the way I was posing it was like, oh, she really thinks she's somebody.

Bruce Anthony: Look, lemme tell you something, you and I both do the most.

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: still do the most when

Jay Aundrea: To this day. Mm-hmm.

Bruce Anthony: We do the most, we the

Jay Aundrea: Yeah. Yeah, we do. We all like, honestly, the nickname. For our family is the most I, that's how I feel. We do the most and prime example, my, my birthday last year, if Pat, when I tell you that birthday was planned within an inch of its life and perfectly executed, [00:19:00] couldn't tell me no. I do the most, but I don't care.

It was a good time and I had, I had a, you couldn't tell me nothing. Walking around that King's Dominion in that tracksuit,

Amusement Park Antics: Thrills, Fears & Fails 🎢😱

Bruce Anthony: Well, the last time I was at King's Dominion, I took one of my girlfriends that you didn't like that much. Uh, you know who I'm talking about

Jay Aundrea: yeah.

Bruce Anthony: and I don't like riding rides. I'm scared of the rides. It's

Jay Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

Bruce Anthony: me. I don't like

Jay Aundrea: The only one out of the three of us are siblings that likes roller coasters is me. I'm the only one.

Bruce Anthony: yeah, I don't. And yeah. Okay, but you don't,

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: like being on boats and ships because you get motion sickness. I don't understand how that wouldn't

Jay Aundrea: I get cabin fever. I get cabin fever. Yeah. I don't get motion sickness.

Bruce Anthony: the last time I went, you know that the one ride in the King's dominion where it takes you all the way up and then drops you?

Well, it took us all the way up. I didn't wanna go down there. I didn't wanna go in there. 'cause I'm afraid of heights, not in

Jay Aundrea: Yes.

Bruce Anthony: some strange reason. But if my feet can dangle,

Jay Aundrea: Yeah. If you could [00:20:00] see the ground in a plane, you don't, you can't see the ground.

Bruce Anthony: you can.

Jay Aundrea: It, most of the time you, nobody's looking out that window, and when you are, it's like you're already at 30,000 like, and you just see sky and you see the land, but it's not, it's not the same.

Bruce Anthony: Oh, you are right. It's not the same,

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: my feet are you in like a seat,

Jay Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

Bruce Anthony: you 50 11 yards in the air. They take

Jay Aundrea: Yeah. About 16 miles. Yeah. In the air. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Bruce Anthony: there was a malfunction and we're stuck up there

Jay Aundrea: As there typically is at King's Dominion in Virginia, lest I remind you of the grizzly.

Bruce Anthony: Oh

Jay Aundrea: That I got stuck on that wooden rollercoaster every single time I got stuck. Yeah. 'cause we were stuck at the top and I was like, yeah. And I was like, oh, oh, we're gonna die. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Bruce Anthony: I'm on a date now. Once [00:21:00] again, I'm doing the most, 'cause I took a, a, a, a female all the way to King's Dominion, which ain't close from where I was living.

Jay Aundrea: No.

Bruce Anthony: And she's not my girlfriend yet, so I am absolutely doing the most

Jay Aundrea: Why didn't you go to Six Flags?

Bruce Anthony: Uh, 'cause you know, I'm a little bougie and I like King's Dominion better. And Six Flags is real hood. It is.

Jay Aundrea: Okay.

Bruce Anthony: it down 'cause it's so hood. Anyway,

Jay Aundrea: Damn.

Bruce Anthony: up there, people up there crying. 'cause we are up there for a good 10, 15, 20 minutes.

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: I'm just, I'm holding her hand like everything's gonna be okay.

Be cool. Deep inside, I'm clenching my butt cheeks. 'cause some,

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: some poop is about to come out

Jay Aundrea: Yeah,

Bruce Anthony: to death.

Jay Aundrea: I would've piss a puked up there.

Bruce Anthony: Don't know what that is

Jay Aundrea: Piss

puke at all three at once,

Bruce Anthony: was Okay.

Jay Aundrea: at once. Our brother thought of that [00:22:00] word.

Bruce Anthony: he's an idiot. Oh, okay. That's

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: around And dilly down. Let's get to something serious. And we're going to get into a situation that happened in Tennessee the death penalty. And we're gonna get into that next

Bruce Anthony: okay, Jay, I titled this segment in the Rundown, cruel and Unusual Punishment because this clearly fits the definition and a lot of people are not gonna even know this story. And I don't, I'm going to, I'm going to be conflict.

Jay Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

Bruce Anthony: I'm going to explain why I'm conflicted. But the first thing I gotta do is let people know what the hell we're talking about.

So,

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: Byron Blackett 69-year-old death row inmate B lethal injection without deactivating his impli hi implanted [00:23:00] defibrillator. Despite a illegal dispute over whether the device could cause him unnecessary pain during the execution, cried out in pain shortly after the injection was administered, telling the spiritual advisor present that he was hurting so badly. So what's the summary of all this? He was executed just a couple, just yesterday.

Jay Aundrea: Yeah,

Bruce Anthony: 5th, 2025. 'cause we're recording this on August the sixth. Uh, they didn't deactivate his ICD, which is our Cardioverter Defibrillator.

Jay Aundrea: uh, implantable cardioverter defibrillator. Yes. ICD.

Bruce Anthony: ICD, that's what I'm going to call it from here on out.

'cause I'm not gonna say them three words ever again 'cause I didn't say 'em well the first time

Jay Aundrea: Okay.

Bruce Anthony: there was uncertainty and a legal debate about whether the ICD could deliver painful shocks. As a lethal drugs took effect. Black had multiple serious health conditions, including dementia, and heart failure, and he used a [00:24:00] wheelchair.

Byron Black's Case: Crime, Context & Controversy 🕵️‍♂️❓

Bruce Anthony: The lower court court had ordered the device deactivated outta concern for unnecessary suffering. But the Tennessee Supreme Court overturned this arguing. The lower court court lacked such authority. The state contended that lethal injection would not activate the ICD and black would not feel any pain while his lawyers was obviously disagreeing saying that no, he gonna feel some pain

Jay Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

Bruce Anthony: So Tennessee has never executed anybody. With lethal injection while they, the person had an active ICD.

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: Just, there's more to this story, and I'm gonna get into why he was on death row in the first place.

Jay Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

Bruce Anthony: But Jay, just listening to this, what are some of your first thoughts that this man did suffer and the Supreme Court and the courts were wrong? And you would think that the medical industry would, [00:25:00] experts would weigh in on something like this and, and I'll get to what they did later, but just your initial thoughts of the story.

Jay Aundrea: So first of all, I am, I still have very conflicting feelings about the death penalty. Uh, I don't know how we can punish someone for a crime using the crime. You know, they murdered someone so we'll murder them like that. I don't. I never quite understood that. And then in Black's case in particular, this is a man, like you said, in multiple serious health con conditions, including dementia.

So here's, here's my question. Is this a punishment for somebody who doesn't know what's going on? So I, I feel like once he had, you know, got, had all these health issues and health [00:26:00] conditions, like he probably should have just been moved to like one of the, like it's a prison facility, but it's like a medical facility, you know, for, or something like that.

Death Penalty Dilemma: Justice or Cruelty? ⚖️💔

Jay Aundrea: I, I just don't know what will be the point then of pursuing the death penalty on someone with dementia. But we've seen it with people who, have, uh, mental disabilities, we've seen them be executed by the death penalty. So I don't put anything past this country. My thing is, if there is the, first of all, like you said, there was no precedent for this, right?

So if there is a suspicion that a device, which is which purpose, the purpose of this device is to restart his heart,

Bruce Anthony: Mm-hmm.

Jay Aundrea: I feel like common sense would tell you if you are trying to put the man to [00:27:00] death by stopping his heart, that a device that is intended to restart his heart through electric shocks is probably something that needs to be deactivated.

I'm thinking that that's, that feels like common sense to me. So I don't know who the state consulted and that they could like. Wholeheartedly contend that, oh, it won't activate his device. It, it won't, he'll be fine. What is the harm in deactivating it?

What was the harm ever, ever in deactivating? It, it wasn't deactivating, it isn't gonna lock, unlock. It wasn't, uh, something un keeping his hidden power under control. And if you, if you deactivate it, then he'll be unleashed or like, wait, what are you talking about? What was the harm in deactivating it?

Bruce Anthony: It is a defibrillator, not a, what did they call that on the arrow? It is. It was something else. Not a [00:28:00] defibrillator, but something else that would people being from being able to use their superpowers. Yeah. This wasn't

Jay Aundrea: Yeah. That's not what this is. It's a, it's.

Bruce Anthony: Inhibitor, that's what it

Jay Aundrea: Yes. Yeah. This isn't an inhibitor, it's a defibrillator. Like he, he, he wasn't deactivating, it just meant that he did not have the safety net of a defibrillator, should his, he go into some sort of cardiac arrest. So deactivating it. There was no, there was no downside to deactivating it and to err on the side of caution just seemed like a smart, a smart thing to do.

I don't understand what the resistance was to that and why they didn't do it. It just, that doesn't make sense to me.

Bruce Anthony: So I want to piggyback off of what you're saying about the death penalty. agree with you. I've never been a big proponent of the death penalty because, say for instance, I was convicted of a crime and they gave me life and prison with no parole. [00:29:00] 45. Right now, let's say I got a good 40 years left than me. God willing, I do not wanna spend 40 years in prison, give me the death penalty. There's no reason for me to still like, I'm going to be in jail. Jailer's horrible. Jail is. Jail is hell on Earth. Jail ain't

Jay Aundrea: Yeah. Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: I'm sure there's some people that feel at home in jail. If you've been institutionalized,

Jay Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

Bruce Anthony: going to be one of those people that's institutionalized. I don't ever want to be locked in a jail.

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: uh, about this a couple of weeks ago. I remember my dorm room in college was no bigger than a jail cell.

Jay Aundrea: Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: the same size, but there was something that was different. The different was, the difference was if I'm trapped in the jail cell, I'm going to hate that confinement.

It's gonna feel real small because I can't leave when I want to.

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: it's not, it is about the size for certain people. It wouldn't be the size for me, it is the fact that I can't just go [00:30:00] do what I wanna do. The worst thing you could do to

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: is take away my freedom.

Jay Aundrea: Yeah. It's called punishment for a crime. You don't get to go do whatever you wanna do because when they let you do whatever you want to do, you murdered someone.

Bruce Anthony: what? Yes. Yes. So.

Jay Aundrea: So this that, yeah. It's not supposed to be fun. It's not supposed to be great. It's not supposed to be a good time. It's supposed to be a punishment.

Yeah. So you,

Bruce Anthony: punishment. This is punishment.

Jay Aundrea: yeah. So you, it would be serving its purpose if you didn't have a good time.

Bruce Anthony: I always thought that, uh, well, yes. I always thought that being in prison is worse to me than death. Now I'm also weird because if it comes to something being amputated, I'm like, go ahead and pull the plug.

Jay Aundrea: Yeah. Yeah, you're, you're real quick to The only instance where I'm real quick to just give up on life [00:31:00] is any kind of apocalypse because I don't wanna live in a post-apocalyptic world. I don't care if it's zombies, some sort of disease alien, I don't care. A war World War ZI don't give a, I don't give a damn what it is.

If there's no running water, electricity, internet, I don't wanna live in a post apocalyptic world. I'm gonna buy a couple boxes of wine. I'm gonna sit in my house and wait for the zombies to come get me. And that's, I don't wanna fight that hard every day to live.

Bruce Anthony: I would, I would deal with a po apo, a post-apocalyptic world. I,

Jay Aundrea: No,

Bruce Anthony: but I don't like your choice of words. You said I'm real quick to give o give up on life. That's not it. Okay. That's, that's not, that's not it. It is just what type of life? If I'm, am I living afterwards?

I know that there are certain things that I really, really enjoy doing,

Jay Aundrea: yeah.

Bruce Anthony: they were taken away from me, I wouldn't like it anymore. Life wouldn't be the same for me.

Jay Aundrea: Yeah, but there are all sorts of modifications for everything. [00:32:00] Everything.

Bruce Anthony: Until they can build limbs, full limbs that look for real, for real. And I can move and control 'em for real. Then I look, don't amputate nothing. Don't even take an eyeball. I don't wanna lose nothing. But I've never believed in death penalty because I think that if you put somebody to death, that's the easy way out.

A real true punishment is punishing

Jay Aundrea: gotta do the time. They gotta do the time. And the thing about a life sentence, and the reason I feel like we, and I'm completely making this up, this is my own opinion, we use that terminology, is because it's a life for a life.

Bruce Anthony: Okay.

Jay Aundrea: That person doesn't get to continue on. So you have to live their years and yours in confinement.

And you have to think about it every year that you're still alive in here, that they're not, and that's you. Yeah. You gotta, you gotta sit on it and live with it. I think that's a punishment. Living with [00:33:00] it.

Bruce Anthony: Yes.

Childhood Punishments: Whoopings or Grounded? 🧸🚫

Bruce Anthony: I, I wholeheartedly agree growing up, what was worse? Getting grounded for a week or two weeks, or getting a whooping? Give me the whooping

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: that's a little bit of pain for a short period of time. This punishment ain't nothing worse than when you, I can't watch tv. I

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: What am I supposed to do?

Do your

Jay Aundrea: I can't play with my Christmas gifts.

Bruce Anthony: Oh, I remember when dad took away my Christmas gifts one year.

Jay Aundrea: Ugh.

Bruce Anthony: Side note,

Jay Aundrea: My grades. My grades came back like gangbusters. They were back. I was back on top after that. I was like, I didn't know. You

Bruce Anthony: gifts taken away too.

Jay Aundrea: did. We did are the same year. You and I both got our Christmas gifts taken. We got to open them. Yeah. But then they got put back up in, they got put up in the attic.

Bruce Anthony: Well, I still, mom and dad watching this, it is been, it's been well past 30 years. I, I knew where the stash was. I went and when y'all weren't home and loaded up my signatures and played my game to just put it back. [00:34:00] So y'all didn't know,

Jay Aundrea: I didn't, I, I, I served my sentence.

Bruce Anthony: I wasn't gonna serve that sentence. That was cruel and unusual punishment.

Punishment Debate: Time vs. The Ultimate Price ⏳⚰️

Bruce Anthony: But what did Byron Black do?

Jay Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

Bruce Anthony: life sentence.

Jay Aundrea: Yes.

Bruce Anthony: did he do? Well, he was convicted in 1988 for the murders of not just his girlfriend, but also her two daughters. Uh, he had been on death row for 25 years. when I give people that context

Jay Aundrea: Yeah,

Bruce Anthony: what he did,

Jay Aundrea: yeah.

Bruce Anthony: people are gonna respond back.

I don't care that he suffer, he should suffer. And I'm like, Hmm. I don't know if I agree with that.

Jay Aundrea: Yeah. I think, I think. Here's the thing. It's not really totally about him suffering, but more about our own morality and our own ethics. He's still a human being. What he did is horrific, absolutely horrific. And he deserved to [00:35:00] lose his, the, the, his freedom, his, his life, essentially. He deserved to lose the, his, the being able to be out in the world and do whatever he wanted to do, what he did.

Bruce Anthony: and I hope he burns in hell.

Jay Aundrea: Yeah, he, he definitely deserved it. Whether or not you agree with the death penalty, I mean, that's up for debate, but the fact of the matter is that he was still a human being. And if we do things that cause unnecessary pain, unnecessary pain, it is an attack on our own spirit. Our own morality, our own ethics is the, is is almost not even about him, but it's about the fact that you were willing to do it and what does it, how does that make you different from him?

Bruce Anthony: mm

Jay Aundrea: Because you're on one side of the law and he's not [00:36:00] Those three women, I mean the, the woman and her two girls suffered and that makes him a monster. But you allowing him to suffer doesn't make you a monster,

is something to think about. Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: make it make sense. So like I said earlier, uh, a lower court said no, we just gonna deactivate it and his ICD

Jay Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

Bruce Anthony: We are not gonna stop this execution, but we're gonna deactivate the ICD because it seems like it would cause some issues. And then the Supreme Court them saying that you don't have the authority to do that.

Medical Ethics: Doctors, Death & Dilemmas 🩺⚡

Bruce Anthony: So what did medical professionals do? Medical professionals and the hospital staff would not participate in deactivating the device citing ethical concerns about involvement in executions.

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: turning off the device was not [00:37:00] necessary in that black would be unconscious and not feel pain due to the, uh,

Jay Aundrea: Penta. Barbital.

Bruce Anthony: yeah.

See I wasn't, I was gonna sound it out though. I

Jay Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

Bruce Anthony: to sound it out. The, the pen of Barbara Tyler Paul.

Jay Aundrea: I mean, you said it and then you added extra onto the end.

Bruce Anthony: I mean, because I, I was just gonna have trouble with that word, which is

Jay Aundrea: All right?

Bruce Anthony: injection, uh, drug.

Jay Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

Bruce Anthony: Now, one of the key points to this is medical professionals saying he is gonna be unconscious. He obviously was not.

Jay Aundrea: No, the state said that medical professionals and hospital staff wouldn't participate because they didn't wanna participate in an E, like have anything to do with an execution. And that's, and that's fair, right? Because they take the Hippocratic Oath, they took the Hippocratic Oath to do no harm. And so you, what you're asking me to do is di deactivate this device so that you can inflict harm on a person.

IE put them to death [00:38:00] as a medical professional, I can't do that. And I understand that.

Bruce Anthony: well, and I contend that if it's to do no harm, he's gonna be put to death anyway.

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: not participating and deactivating the ICD, you are in fact doing harm, so,

Jay Aundrea: that's the thing about ethical dilemmas. There's not always a a right answer. There's just a, a slightly better choice. Sometimes there's not. That's, that's kind of the point that we, that we get in. That's why ethical dilemmas are such a problem. Right? Because there's not really a clear cut black and white answer.

But again, I wanna know who's advising the state because the state is the one that said he would be unconscious. I have, to my knowledge, I have never known that they do knock the person out

Bruce Anthony: Well,

Jay Aundrea: or that the [00:39:00] drug,

Bruce Anthony: I've only seen the executions on tv,

Jay Aundrea: yeah.

Bruce Anthony: the actual. Proceedings are. So I can't speak to if they do or don't, but I could tell you for a fact this is what I do know. He wasn't unconscious because not only did the spiritual advisor say Yeah, he heard, he told me he was in pain. Witnesses heard during the execution black expressing significant pain. attorneys and advocates condemned the procedure as cruel and pros and possibly unprecedented. Well, I mean, it was definitely unprecedented in

Jay Aundrea: Yes. Yeah.

Cruel & Unusual? The Constitution in Question 📜🤔

Bruce Anthony: this all got me thinking about something

Jay Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

Bruce Anthony: and it ha it got me thinking about an amendment.

And I know people are, are willing to throw out amendments now, right? Like the

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: doesn't matter. They're willing to throw out amendments. But the

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: of the US Constitution. Prohibits the government from [00:40:00] inflicting penalties that are excessively harsh or inhumane on criminal defendants. Now, the death penalty, whether or not you agree with it, if it's excessively harsh, no. Okay, inhumane. It's inhumane to put somebody to death where it's gonna be painful. We don't do, what is that? That quartering

Jay Aundrea: Yeah. Yeah. We don't do that. We don't, we don't, we don't use the gallows. We don't use guillotines. We, yeah, that's what I mean. We don't do the firing squad. We don't do any of that. We, we don't even, I don't think they use the gas chamber anymore either. It's lethal injection. It's a drug that is meant to stop your heart, pretty quickly.

To cause your death in a quick and supposedly painless way. That is what we do now, right? Because [00:41:00] it's no longer the barbaric ways in which we used to put people to death.

Bruce Anthony: so the exact text is this, since y'all gonna be like, I mean, y'all going to play with words. Words are important. Excessive bail should not be required, nor excessive fines imposed nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted. A punishment is considered cruel and unusual if it is grossly disproportionate to the crime involves torture,

Jay Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

Bruce Anthony: torture. If have an ICD

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: to send electric shocks to your heart,

Jay Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

Bruce Anthony: when your heart stops working you are at the same time taking a drug

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: supposed to stop your heart from working.

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: means that as you are taking a drug that is supposed to be killing you, you got an instrument in [00:42:00] your body that's sending electric shocks to try and make sure that you don't die.

Jay Aundrea: Right.

Bruce Anthony: That seems like torture to me.

Jay Aundrea: Yeah, because what,

Bruce Anthony: the electric chair anymore.

Jay Aundrea: I don't think we do that either. No, and, and this is what his attorneys were arguing, right? Like, this is a device that is supposed to keep his heart from failing or to restart his heart. Should it fail, or something like that, right? So it could possibly pro call not only just cause him pain, but prolong his death.

'cause it's supposed to be quick and painless. It could possibly prolong that in addition to causing him pain. So. That would qualify to me as cruel. And then for the unusual part, well, there's no precedent for this. It is unusual. So

Bruce Anthony: Yeah.

Jay Aundrea: that feels like it meets the standard to me of cruel and unusual punishments.

Bruce Anthony: And, [00:43:00] and ladies and gentlemen, we are not defending Black

Jay Aundrea: No,

Bruce Anthony: punishment is deserved 'cause how you gonna kill your girlfriend and her two little girls? Like,

Jay Aundrea: up under the jail is where he belonged, uh, under like yes, he absolutely belonged where he was. Yes.

Bruce Anthony: but my question is to piggyback off of what my sister brought up because I thought it was brilliant, is that, are you better, are you a better person morally if you are upset, appalled. That he died in this manner. If you look in it and you say an eye for an eye, are you any better than him?

Jay Aundrea: Yeah, because what's that last line of you? You didn't finish reading after torture, but there, there's an, there's a, a, a or, and it's the last standard,

Bruce Anthony: Oh, okay. Or is rejected by evolving standards of decency [00:44:00] in society.

Jay Aundrea: right? So cruel and unusual punishment. Yeah. It, it can't be disproportionate to the crime. It can involve torture or barbarity, and it also can't be something that society. Decent society would reject.

Bruce Anthony: But are we decent? Is the

Jay Aundrea: That's the question. That's why this is an ethical dilemma, right? The, and that's why I said earlier that it, a large part of it is about our own morals, our own sense of decency and our own ethics.

And there was no harm whatsoever in deactivating. The advice. The advice. If you couldn't find medical professionals or hospital staff who would participate, keep looking, keep looking. There is someone out there who administered the drug that had to be a medical professional who [00:45:00] administered the penal bar, penal bartol in the first place.

Bruce Anthony: I, I am glad you know how to say words Well, 'cause I can't say peanut Barbara Tallus at all.

Jay Aundrea: Could that medical professional not have deactivated the device? Do you? You gotta keep looking. Until you find somebody who was willing to do it.

Bruce Anthony: they didn't think he was worth it.

Jay Aundrea: Exactly. Exactly. And so it also is, does your definition of humanity, you know, uh, encompass all humans? Or does he become, I mean, yeah, I know. I refer, I think I referred to him as a, what did I call him?

I didn't call him an animal, but I might've called him something just now.

Bruce Anthony: Yeah, I don't, you don't typically call people animal. You ain't call 'em an

Been. So

Jay Aundrea: you, I called him something, but, but I also said that he was still a human being,

Bruce Anthony: Yeah.

Jay Aundrea: regardless. He was still a human being and what, how we treat him says more about us than it does [00:46:00] about him. That was my, that's my only point.

Bruce Anthony: Message.

Bruce Anthony: Jay, just going to roughly touch Gilbert Arenas is going in because I think it leads to a larger question, a larger discussion of what I really want to do. So, former NBA Star Gilbert Arenas was arrested in late July, 2025, along with five co-conspirator, uh, co-defendants for allegedly operating an illegal high stakes poker ring out of a mansion he rented in Encino, California. He was charged with one count of conspiracy to operate illegal GA bus gambling business, one count of operating an illegal GA gambling women one count of conspiracy to operate an illegal gambling business. One count of operating an illegal gambling business, which I feel like they're the same thing.

And one

Jay Aundrea: one is, he could have been doing it [00:47:00] by himself. The other one, he's working in concert with people to do it.

Bruce Anthony: okay.

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Gilbert Arenas: High Stakes & Legal Drama 🃏🚨

Bruce Anthony: even if he's operating okay. I guess so. I mean, he still has to have people working with him, so wouldn't that still be a conspiracy?

Jay Aundrea: Employing people and then, and conspiring with people are two different things.

Bruce Anthony: are right. Words matter and one count of making false statements to federal investigators. Now that's a big one.

Jay Aundrea: Yes.

Bruce Anthony: the other ones is tough, but that's a big one. So they, the authorities alleged the operation ran from September, 2021 to July, 2022 and was linked to suspected Israeli organized crime figure who, along with arenas and others, allegedly collected a rake for each poker pot and hired staff, including young women for service and companionship,

Jay Aundrea: Hmm

Bruce Anthony: valets and armor, and armed security. Uh, for these exclusive gains. Prosecutors presented as evidence. A poker table featuring arena's name and image [00:48:00] arenas entered a plea of not guilty and was released on $50,000 bond. Now, when he was released.

Jay Aundrea: mm-hmm.

Bruce Anthony: He's got a podcast. He's got several shows.

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: if anybody has ever seen Gibbard arenas, he's a clown and

Jay Aundrea: I'm not a fan.

Bruce Anthony: Yeah. I mean, he's a clown. He, he,

Jay Aundrea: Yeah. Okay.

Bruce Anthony: around too much. For those people that don't know the backstory, he was playing for the Washington Wizards. He and another teammate got into a disagreement that was over gambling, if I remember correctly, and they brought guns to the locker room. He was

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: from the NBA and and all types of stuff.

He's consistently been an idiot.

Jay Aundrea: Yes.

Bruce Anthony: isn't what I want to talk about, him being an idiot. wanna talk about is him saying that he was gonna be cleared of all the charges, that all he did was it was his house and that he was renting and he was allowing somebody else to rent it from him.

Jay Aundrea: Hmm.

Bruce Anthony: a troop comes out, he'll be exonerated, [00:49:00] which can all possibly be true,

Jay Aundrea: And use his likeness on the tables.

Bruce Anthony: Well he pro, it was probably his house, maybe I Look that's crazy. I don't know how he's gonna get out of this, but he then says, and it don't matter 'cause if they had anything on, on me, I'm snitching, I'm telling on everybody, I'm not going to jail. I'm going to say everything that I gotta say. And you know, some people on social media was dragging 'em.

Some people on social media were saying, yeah, I guess that makes sense.

Jay Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

Bruce Anthony: has become a thing.

Snitching Unpacked: Loyalty, Law & Street Codes 🗣️🔍

Bruce Anthony: Sammy the Bull has a podcast. He's a legendary mobster snitch. Michael Francis, as much as he tries to say he's not snitching, he is snitching. He's telling stories from back in the day. That's snitching.

Jay Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

Bruce Anthony: You have so many people who were cooperators in, in the mafia or drug dealing or just anything illegal, got podcasts. Everybody is telling

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: what is telling and snitching ain't the same as what it used to be.

Jay Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

Bruce Anthony: Also [00:50:00] people don't understand what snitching is

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: I remember one time, Cameron and Damon Dash was on the Bill O'Reilly show 20, 25 years ago, which by the way, they should have never been on the show.

Jay Aundrea: Yeah, I don't that those words together didn't make no, no damn sense to me. Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: Bill O'Reilly talked about snitching,

Jay Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

Bruce Anthony: not a fan of Bill O' Riley, but this is good journalism because he boxed two idiots into a corner

Jay Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

Bruce Anthony: they said, so you guys would never snitch. And they were like, Nope. They, and Bill O'Reilly said, well what about if there's a child molester in the building? Would y'all snitch then? Nope. It was like, that's not the code of the streets. That's not, not snitching

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: you, when it's harmful to your community with something like a child molester, you absolutely call the poppo

Jay Aundrea: Yes. Yeah. Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: when you got caught up in some mess. And you tell to [00:51:00] get out of trouble.

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: If you

Jay Aundrea: And or you, or you actively go to authorities to get somebody hemmed up for your own petty reasons. That's snitching.

Bruce Anthony: that too,

Jay Aundrea: Yes.

Bruce Anthony: being a witness a crime

Jay Aundrea: Is not snitching.

Bruce Anthony: is not snitching.

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: And well, it is if you know, you know, if you know people, if you know 'em, know 'em. Like if they your people and you tell on them, nah, that's not too cool.

Jay Aundrea: No.

Bruce Anthony: if you, if they're complete strangers, if you see somebody in broad daylight get shot,

Jay Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

Bruce Anthony: might not want to be a witness. But taking the witness stand if you're compelled, is not snitching.

Jay Aundrea: Yeah,

Bruce Anthony: have this idea of you don't talk at all. No. You don't talk at all. You don't. If you are an active criminal, there is no reason for you to be talking to the police.

Jay Aundrea: yeah, yeah,

Bruce Anthony: you ain't an active criminal.

Jay Aundrea: yeah. Snitching [00:52:00] according to the Urban Dictionary. Snitching is when you tell on someone to get yourself out of trouble. That's what that is. What you do that is snitching if you telling on somebody else to get yourself out of trouble. But here's the thing about snitching. The idea of snitching is not a new one, but.

Law enforcement and police detectives and crime c crime investigation is new. It's new, it's, it's much. Back then, the only way they could solve a crime nine times outta 10 was with a confession or with somebody telling. Right. Because we didn't have forensics. We didn't have, there wasn't no CSI, there wasn't all that stuff.

Now they don't need you to say a damn thing because I got your DNA, your fingerprints. I, I tracked your cell phone and I know that you were in the vicinity 'cause you was pinging off the towers and I pulled your Facebook dms and saw you talking about it, or you don't have a gun. Well, why is there a picture of you on [00:53:00] Instagram?

Like, you know, they got, they got you. Like, they don't need you to tell, they don't, the, the, honestly, the telling is the icing on the cake, but they don't need you to tell now. So y'all sitting in there. I watch a lot of first 48 recently. Y'all sitting in there looking dumb.

Bruce Anthony: miss first 48. I

Jay Aundrea: Yeah. And y'all, y'all sitting in there looking dumb because they got you this video everywhere.

Now everywhere. Stop doing crimes at the QuickTrip because QuickTrip got 4K video of all y'all stop it like it's not snitching no more. Now it's just, you might as well own up to it. You was involved. Tell me everybody who was there.

Bruce Anthony: Well, see, here's the thing. If I've always maintained that if I ever did something illegal with a group of people and I was the one that got caught, I gotta eat that. I'm not telling because I was the one that got caught. I'm not telling, if I'm about to go down for something that I [00:54:00] didn't do

Jay Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

Bruce Anthony: who did it,

Jay Aundrea: Mm-hmm. Yeah. The, here's the thing about me. I'm not catching no accessory after the fact charge.

Bruce Anthony: mm-hmm.

Jay Aundrea: Nope. I'm not catching that charge. 'cause that I could, I could end up 10 years. Doing a dime for accessory after fact. 'cause I didn't wanna say nothing. Nah. And that's, and yes, that's me telling to save myself.

You absolutely right. Because I ain't had nothing to do with this and I'm not going down. I Jonna.

Bruce Anthony: Why are you move the mic closer?

Jay Aundrea: 'cause I need everybody to hear this ain't going down for nobody. Oh, if I didn't give birth to you, I ain't going down.

Bruce Anthony: Well, hold on. There is two people that I will go down for.

Jay Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

Bruce Anthony: It is mom and one of our aunts, and

Jay Aundrea: Nope.

Bruce Anthony: it's the aunt that we all love. That's just the sweetest aunt. That only

Jay Aundrea: Shoot. It would never put you in that [00:55:00] position, first of all. Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: if I had to, like, if it was a situation where I was, it's

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: You, I, you know, I love you to death.

You

Jay Aundrea: I wouldn't go. Yeah. Now. If I felt like I could get you out of the country or something like that? Yeah. If I could, if I felt like I could help you run, you know, where they could come to me. Are you harboring him? Nah, he ain't here. I don't know where he is at like that, that I will do. Right. But other than that, but I'm smart enough not to have anything connecting the two of us where they can be like, oh, you knew about it accessory.

Right. My thing is we not talking on the phone, we are not sending no text messages. There's no paper trail that you and I and I had anything to do with the fact that they can't find you now.

Bruce Anthony: Right. No. I disappear.

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: I'm

Jay Aundrea: But, but no, I'm not, I'm not doing no time for somebody else. [00:56:00] No.

Bruce Anthony: We just talked about it last segment. I am not gonna make it in jail. I, I, we've talked about it a lot in this podcast. The reasons why I wouldn't make it in jail. Prime example, bathroom. Right?

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: what if I'm in the yard and I gotta use the bathroom and I can't run back to my cell? If you in the yard, the bathroom is out in the open in front of everybody.

I, I can't, I can't do that.

Jay Aundrea: I don't know that that's true. I don't know that you just go to the bathroom in the yard. I don't think that that's true.

Bruce Anthony: a, there's a toilet and stuff. Like, there's a bathroom. Where else you think they, if they in the yard,

Jay Aundrea: You don't ask the guard to take you to the bathroom?

Bruce Anthony: I don't know these things. I ain't

Jay Aundrea: I don't know. I don't know. 'cause I don't have nothing to do with it.

Bruce Anthony: I don't have nothing to do with it either. This is what I will say for Gilbert Arenas, whether he's a part

Jay Aundrea: yeah,

Bruce Anthony: not a part of this.

Yeah, he right. Go ahead and snitch, man. You are a multimillionaire. First of all, if you did do it, God, you're an idiot.

Jay Aundrea: yeah.

Bruce Anthony: you don't need the money and you live in La Vegas ain't that far.

Jay Aundrea: Mm-hmm. I don't [00:57:00] understand. Vegas was right there. I don't understand. Also, you don't need to do this.

Bruce Anthony: I mean, the allure like Jay-Z said it best. The allure of breaking the law so much too much for me to ever ignore. I got a thing for the big body benzes. It dull my sense. It's like the allure

Jay Aundrea: I'm in love with a VW engine, but I, I, I, but I'm also high on life. It, I'm wasted.

Bruce Anthony: Ladies and gentlemen, go listen to Allure. It's literally my favorite Jay-Z song. It is

Jay Aundrea: Yeah. No, listen, I, I, I just don't understand. Listen guys, when y'all get on and y'all get rich and all, just sit down somewhere. You don't have to do illegal things. You don't have to do that no more. And if there are people in your camp that is like, Hey, man, we could just, we do this. They don't belong in your camp no more.

We too, we rich. Now. We don't have to do, we don't, no, we don't have [00:58:00] to do no dog fights, no gambling rings. No. None of the, we don't have to do none of this. Any longer we are rich.

Bruce Anthony: you know what, 50 cent what had, what 50 cent did one time with BMF. Right? Like 50 cent was popping when BMF was like a, still like a drug dealing organization.

Jay Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

Bruce Anthony: And so he was like, yeah, I, I met them and stuff like that. But like I was popping

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: because of my old life, that would've been too enticing for me to go ahead and. Get a couple bricks and move 'em. So I stayed away from them because I'm

Jay Aundrea: Yeah,

Bruce Anthony: good now. I

Jay Aundrea: yeah,

Bruce Anthony: to do that. But it would've

Jay Aundrea: yeah,

Bruce Anthony: there is something, there is something about being bad that's, that's, that draws people like

Jay Aundrea: yeah,

Bruce Anthony: stuff all, hold on, let me rephrase that. I don't do bad stuff all the

Jay Aundrea: yeah. Yeah. But I mean, like a little innocuous things. You cheat on your diet, you know, that's, that's, you should do little, if you wanna do the little bad stuff, you'd be like, I'm not supposed to have [00:59:00] this,

Bruce Anthony: Yeah. 'cause

Jay Aundrea: but I'm gonna have it. You know, like, not crimes.

Bruce Anthony: too much. Yeah. Not crime. So I can't, no. 'cause I, once again, not going to jail. And if I

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: petty crime and they're like, we're gonna give you 30 days, I'm not even gonna do that. No. I need a proper

Jay Aundrea: I, I, I could do 30 days. That's fine. I don't want to, I absolutely don't want to because I get cabin, I get, I get cabin. I don't know. I get cabin fever on a luxury cruise ship. What do you think it's gonna be like for me in jail or prison?

Bruce Anthony: Nah. Yeah. Mm-hmm.

Jay Aundrea: the idea that I can't get off the boat. That's what messes with my head.

Like when we're at sea and everybody's like, but the boat's so big. There's so much to do. But I can't get out if I wanna get out.

Bruce Anthony: You can never live on an island. Then

Jay Aundrea: No, because I can get out, I can get on a plane, I can get on a boat, I can get out. When I want to,

Bruce Anthony: sort of

Jay Aundrea: if you on a [01:00:00] ship in the middle of, that's why I always, when I would plan the cruises, there was all, we were at port every day because I have to get off the boat. I have to be able to get off the boat. What do you mean I can't get off the boat?

Bruce Anthony: of sea is my favorite days.

Jay Aundrea: Mm-hmm.

Bruce Anthony: I ain't gotta get off the, I ain't gotta get off the ship.

Jay Aundrea: Nope.

Bruce Anthony: do no excursions. 'cause I don't like getting up in the morning and doing excursions anyway. And you know what else? I really don't like doing,

Jay Aundrea: What?

Bruce Anthony: about having to go to prison.

And that's

Jay Aundrea: Yeah,

Bruce Anthony: I would snitch.

Jay Aundrea: yeah,

Bruce Anthony: I, I, I tell all the people that are that, that are in my orbit, I'm like, Hey man, if you do something wrong, think I'm gonna hold water for you. 'cause as soon as they put me in the box, I'm gonna get me a two piece and tell all,

Jay Aundrea: yeah. You gonna need two tapes. Going and going. Hit record. Well, here's the thing. It's like you said earlier, if I'm in conspiracy with somebody, like if I'm guilty and I'm going down anyway, I probably will not give up my co-conspirators [01:01:00] because I'm already go. I'm like, I'm already going down. Like I did it.

I got caught, and I'm going down for it. I'm not gonna give that, that I'm not gonna give up my co-conspirators for what? For a few years less maybe, but it's still gonna be a long time. I'm still probably gonna get life or something.

Bruce Anthony: 25 years and they said they was gonna cut it down to five?

Jay Aundrea: Mm,

Bruce Anthony: Yeah. That changed everything, don't it? Also, there's a couple people that snitched to get revenge. Sammy

Jay Aundrea: yeah. Yes.

Bruce Anthony: on John Gotti. 'cause John Gotti was talking ill about him on them tapes. It was John Gotti was the reason why they got arrested.

And also John Gotti was thinking about killing him. So Sammy was like, no, I'm going to tell, uh, Nicki Barnes initially told because the people out there stopped sending him the money. Right. Wasn't taking care of his family. Matter of fact was having sex with his wife.

Jay Aundrea: Mm.

Bruce Anthony: was talking bad about him, [01:02:00] so he was like, oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.

I'm in here holding water. Y'all supposed to be holding me down and you not.

Jay Aundrea: Yep.

Bruce Anthony: now those situations I understand, but

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: mean that when you make an agreement with the government that you gotta start telling about everything and, and

Jay Aundrea: Yeah. Give enough. Give enough.

Bruce Anthony: at the people that you need to get back at

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.

Bruce Anthony: it alone.

Jay Aundrea: Yeah. I,

Bruce Anthony: I don't mind getting even.

Jay Aundrea: yeah. But yeah, I, I, I don't know if it, I don't know. I gotta take a case by case. Uh, hopefully this is never a situation that I'm ever involved in. Uh, that's, that's my only, I hope, I'm never, ever involved in a situation like this. I don't know nobody that would ever put me in this position, thank God.

So like. Hopefully this is never a bridge I have to cross, but it will, will. I tell It depends.

Bruce Anthony: Uh, well, will I tell. Only two people will stop me from, not that. That's pretty much it. I

Jay Aundrea: Yeah.[01:03:00]

Bruce Anthony: I, most of the time I'm gonna talk.

Jay Aundrea: Mm-hmm. Yeah.

Final Thoughts: Morality, Ethics & Self-Reflection 🧠💭

Bruce Anthony: wanna lead the people with?

Jay Aundrea: I don't know. I think I, I think I, I feel, feel good about the, like, the kind of points I brought up today, you know? Yeah. I feel, I feel a lot of good points about that. Just think about your response to certain things, especially when other people, and this is not just, uh, related to Mr.

Byron Black, but just to anybody in general, in any situation, when you see something cruel. Your initial response isn't discussed regardless of who the person is, but, but because of who the person is, your response is not discussed like that. You need to start interrogating, like if you see police brutality, but it's against black folks who you don't care that you need to start interrogating if you see, if you [01:04:00] see, uh, uh, people not caring about making buildings accessible for the disabled.

If you see, uh, women being, uh, overlooked in the workplace for promotions, if you see, if you see these things and you're like, this is the way it is, you, you need, you have to start questioning your own morality

Bruce Anthony: Mm-hmm.

Jay Aundrea: and your own sense of ethics.

Bruce Anthony: Yeah. 'cause there's a lot of Christians out here that I call 'em fake Christians 'cause they, they don't question their own morality and ethics there, and they want to question everybody else's. But on that note,

Jay Aundrea: People in, people in glass houses.

Bruce Anthony: Yeah. Yeah. On that note, ladies and gentlemen, I want to thank you for listening. to thank you for watching, until next time, as always, I'll holler.

Woo. That was a hell of a show.

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